Carolyn Meisenheimer

Interview

Museum Tour

[00:00:00] Carolyn: I am Carolyn Meisenheimer. I’m the curator of the Kam Wah Chung Museum. Actually I have worked here 25 years as of this year I tell people the story that goes with the building. And then answer questions and just generally give them what. Let them look around and see what’s in the building. This is my 25th year of working with it.

[00:00:28] I’ve had lots of enjoyable times in talking with the old timers the new dark and long on and off the action little stories that they have told me have been very interesting.

[00:00:41] Dmae: When did you start?

[00:00:43] Carolyn: Nineteen oh the good battle the 1980.

[00:00:50] Dmae: When did the museum start?

[00:00:51] Carolyn: 1980. 1980. I was born in 1980. Come on 90. OK. See I’m not talking with my pictures. So I did the dates within Nineteen sixty two. No that’s not right.

[00:01:10] Dmae: Never mind. OK. Let’s just start with what you see on your tour. You want to start the tour.

[00:01:17] Carolyn: Can I just talk like I do for people?

[00:01:19] Dmae: Yeah.

[00:01:20] Carolyn: OK. This is a picture of Sunday in the early 1900s. Hundreds are building is here and Chinatown extended back towards the ribbon.

[00:01:30] The school lives up the street. Now they are up the street. The old one and this is Main Street. And this building is still on the corner. Our building and 1909 Long On did sell first cars in eastern Oregon. This was a religious building or joss house and that board is the one up there on the wall.

[00:01:55] The Chinese writing is the deity that brings peace and harmony.

[00:02:00] Dmae: Can you say that again the Chinese writing?

[00:02:02] Carolyn: The Chinese writing on the board which we found out here in the weeds some where actually the deity that brings peace and harmony the board on the left side is may have been bless the land across the seas meaning China and the one on the right may Heaven bless the land here where they live. The tools the tools and in this case are the type of tools they did mining with. They also did their buildings in the building.

[00:02:39] The paper you see is when the two men but the business in 1887 the building was built in 1867 by early day Chinese. We find Chinese coins Chinese money and the building. They use their own money among themselves. While they were in the building most of the time. The tools in the other case are the type of tools they did buildings with also some old fireworks which they would celebrate their Chinese New Years. Every New Years with lots of fireworks. The wooden stools and tables you see throughout the building have been built by the early days Chinese.

[00:03:19] Some of them have no nails or pegs and still serviceable ones to sit on or use this thing. Hey hey was born in 1887. Hey this is a picture of him when he was 19 years old. He came from China and he was in Walla Walla and came here to John day Long On actually was in Baker and he came to John Day and they met and this building was for sale and they went into the business together. The other pictures or other Chinese in the building. This is a picture of the Long On died in 1940. He was 78 years old. And on the far end Doc Hay died when he was 89 years old in 1952. And both of these men are buried in the John Day cemetery across the river. Remains of other Chinese who died in the area were all eventually sent back to China. This picture down here is down. Doc Hay actually was lived in the building except for his last 4 years and actually he died in 1950 too. He is totally blind in the one picture but not the other one. And both of these men are buried in the John Day cemetery across the river.

[00:04:49] Dmae: And what age did he die. I mean can you tell me.

[00:04:52] Carolyn: I’m sorry Doc Hay was.

[00:04:54] Dmae: I mean how old was he when died?

[00:04:56] Carolyn: Lung On was 78 I said? Doc Hay was 89.

[00:05:05] Dmae: And where’s the cemetery. Is it over there? Where’s the cemetary at?

[00:05:08] Carolyn: Cemetery is across the river. Up on the hil. The Rest Lawn cemetery. And as far as we know these two men and Bob Wah and his wife who were the people who looked after Doc Hay after Lung On died and their family lived here. Those four are buried up there and as far as we know or other remains of Chinese were supposedly be sent back to China. We did find $23000 worth of and cash checks we found 23,000 dollars worth of uncashed checks after the doctor died. They think he had never signed or used the checks and they were found in the building under his bed. We have them and we have people look at them and people come up.

[00:06:00] This is when Dad was sick and he’d come to the house and duck a cure to this you know pneumonia or something. And we still have all the uncashed checks.

[00:06:14] Dmae: Is that door locked now. It is OK because I was going to my study here. OK.

[00:06:19] Carolyn: The things in the case here we’re not found in the building. Most of these were gifts to people in the area from either one of the men. And then since the museum opened in ’77 people have been donating things back to the building. All the rest of the artifacts from this door to the front door are the original building and original artifacts.

[00:06:45] Dmae: Can you describe this room.

[00:06:47] Carolyn: This room was the kitchen on this end and also the bunk beds down on this end. And we do know that opium smoking was done in the building. The bunk beds were used for the opium smoking. They would pay their money for the privilege and it was a business so they would sleep and then they would get up and go their way. I don’t believe there was any addiction type of opium in this building and it did help to blacken up the building.

[00:07:18] Dmae: You mean from the smoke. Is that why it’s dark?

[00:07:21] Caroyn: The whole building was used for cooking and everything else. And so you know it is old. So therefore if we don’t clean our house very well they would get blackened up from dirt and stuff. But I mean in the opium did have something because it was legal till 1909. And after that they no longer did it. So you know the early years and then the other Chinese would pay to come in here and smoke the opium. So it was all legally done as far as we know they were.

[00:07:53] Dmae: It’s very dark in here.

[00:07:55] Carolyn: Yes, it is a dark building. They were one of the first buildings to have electricity. We where we have a hanging bubble. We still have 25 Watt bulb on the old system and we have three of those in the building. And actually they are not only the top bunk is… This one is the only original bedding we have in the area. Chinese–or in the building excuse me– the Chinese never had a mattress just mats and then their blankets. But we did that all quilts to the other ones because the mice and chipmunks had been in the building.

[00:08:32] The cage on the floor is a type of cage. They could catch a large small size animals. Rats are like that. And then actually I read they do eat them in China but I don’t know exactly what they did with them. They did cook on the wood stove. Also we have a very large wok. Doc Hay when he first started using his medicines he cook your herb’s up for you and gave you the liquid and then he started giving you the herbs and you did the cooking at home.

[00:09:13] The pots are heavy pots. They made their own utensils and they also made the iron the hole in the iron went over the buttons. They never I turned around a bit and they would bring their own blacksmith with them so they could make tools and things of their own.

[00:09:36] Dmae: That’s creaky floor.

[00:09:40] Carolyn: It’s old. So you’re creaking on the old. We don’t really it’s cold is by it’s creaking. We find that cleavers in all rooms in the building. We know it was a very useful tool. It was also a means of defense. Someone came in and gave him a problem. They could reach for one of those and say Go home. And everybody did go home.

[00:10:03] Chinese wines went as well as medicine liquor’s was found in the ceramic type of jars. They did make a cooler out of this little window. It had metal on the outside so they lined it with metal and used it like a cooler and then they had different various cooking utensils around.

[00:10:25] Dmae: How tall would you say the ceiling is? How tall would you say this ceiling is?

[00:10:33] Carolyn: I’ve never measured it but seven feet. Maybe this one does slant. The other one inside is not over 10 feet.

[00:10:43] Dmae: It’s bigger in there?

[00:10:46] Carolyn: They didn’t actually have a shrine to the kitchen god behind the stove. They would have little cups for wine or tea. And then we have orange and a pomegranate and then they would like Joss sticks and the pretty cloth on the wall goes to the shrine and they have their own pump water inside the building as well as they put a block in the floor and they would fill the box in the day time and then split wood in the house at night. They did have a fear of going outside at night.

[00:11:18] Dmae: Why.

[00:11:20] Carolyn: Pardon me.

[00:11:20] Dmae: Why?

[00:11:22] Carolyn: Generally a spirit of fear but in a strange country and going out at night wasn’t exactly what the Chinese did. We do find American products on our shelves. They did adapt to American things. And actually they use Chinese. They did raise their own gardens outside so they didn’t say as much Chinese.

[00:11:44] And there were big woven sacks which rice came in and then looking at the store things they would order sacks of rice so they pretty well kept to their own diets as well as adapted to American things. Now I talk back here I don’t know if you can hear it through the Plexiglas or not but you could come in there with me if it’s easier. This is where Doc Haywould come and fix your herbs and medicines. He had 500 different Chinese herbs on the shelf. We have them in cigar boxes or metal boxes. They are all labeled. We do know what 250 of the 500 are used for.

[00:12:51] And actually most of them would be in a form of a tea. You would get so many and boil it up and make your tea and then drink your tea according to his directions.Or you might have gotten some kind of animal parts. Deer horns. Turtle shell might have been ground up into powder and put in your medicine. Well you could have gotten a cicada bugs along with some Chinese lizard ground up and put in your medicine.

[00:13:31] Dmae: How many bugs do you think are in there?

[00:13:33] Carolyn: Cicada. We don’t have them in Oregon here but they have them in other states in Middle States and it’s just the shell that the bug hatches and all of these things would be put into and wrapped up in paper when you would boil them the medicine bottles are very small. They’re still using a lot of these medicines in China. Their pills were very small and you could have got me a bottle of medicine along with your herbal tea. And this was the type of things that we would use for cures. We do. We didn’t have rattlesnakes in jars of alcohol and this would be used in some kind of a cure also.

[00:14:16] And then of course they use the abacus for any kind of Math or figuring and they have an abacus and both the store and this part of the building.

[00:14:27] Dmae: You mind just making some sound for me? Or I think they would do it like this.

[00:14:33] Carolyn: I’ve read the book on how to do it but I don’t.

[00:14:37] Dmae: OK but make some sounds though?

[00:14:39] Carolyn: Yeah actually when you count you count so many of these and then you push one over and then every time you get this five you get one and then another five you get two and then you add up down here and you just keep on going on over. And if you’re doing hundreds or whatever you just bury it.

[00:15:05] Dmae: Can you just make the sound without speaking?

[00:15:09] Carolyn: Like you’re using it?

[00:15:10] Dmae: Yes use it without talking.

[00:15:12] Carolyn: Oh, the clicking. That actually doesn’t.

[00:15:14] Dmae: I just want to get sound effects.

[00:15:30] Carolyn: And of course he would way out with a scale in this part of the building.

[00:15:36] Dmae: OK that’s enough. Thank you. So do you. Are there herbs in all of these boxes.

[00:15:43] Carolyn: I would have to say most of them have something and I’m actually like I said 500 have been identified. And we do know what five. There’s 500 all together and we do know what 220 are used for. And this was done to a Chinese man who did the translations and some of them they can’t tell him they’ve made the tins out of different things. And then this particular one is what we would call saffron in our herbs.

[00:16:19] And then you could have most of the time. This one looks like a dried shell of some sort of a plant with the nut may be in it.

[00:16:31] And you couldn’t have gotten rocks or bones or some other kind of a bug or something that you know he used in medicine. We just don’t know exactly all the things that are in them and they are still using. Oh I’m sorry they are still using these in China today. Chinese doctors in the United States still using them.

[00:16:53] Some of them are I won’t say outdated but may be harder to get. And they intertwine and actually a few. I’ll talk about doctors medicines as long as we’re here. We have sent some of them looked at the Chinese.

[00:17:14] All of his prescriptions were in Chinese. So we haven’t had them all you know identify the ones that we have had identified I’ve had some Chinese person look into the things that Chinese are still using those type of things for the same illness today from what we can determine and hopefully through out years to come when we can have a building for Chinese to come and do more translations more of but it will be done. But the Chinese medicines field as far as we know this is what he used to heal the people that he healed.

[00:18:00] Dmae: I think that was OK.

[00:18:13] Carolyn: This was Doc Hay’s bedroom. Actually it was under this bed that they found the $23000 worth of uncashed checks. The bedding isn’t the original. Needless to say mice and chipmunks did eat up bedding and papers the clothing the Chinese clothing. We don’t know exactly who wore it. All of the Chinese clothing has been sold by hand. They things on the nightstand were Doc Hay’s.

[00:18:45] And actually he has a flower pot with Joss sticks which he burned before he went to bed. He was considered the priest of the building but the main shrine the wooden chest of the type of chest they brought belongings from China the Chinese shoes you see are brand new. Where they came from. Who sold them or who used them. We don’t really know. And of course the old slippers and things were dark days. And it’s the smallest room in the building and it was under that bed. Of course all those checks were found–the largest amount.

[00:19:21] When you came to Doc Hay. Children were always giving peanut butter kisses he gave the children kisses and if you didn’t bring the kids with you he’d put them in your pockets and send it home with you. We have Chinese boxes and things that we found in the store room up on the shelf. We also have this is one of the first liquor, American liquor licenses in the building. They did sell American liquor and we also found 93 bottles of liquor that were put away. When Prohibition started.

[00:20:02] Dmae: So when people come and people came here as a store,how did they walk in?.

[00:20:10] Carolyn: I generally do that at the end.

[00:20:12] Dmae: Okay. All right. That’s all right..

[00:20:16] Carolyn: This room is the store room. And as you can see we have wooden boxes everything used to come in a wooden box and then gradually went to cardboard boxes.

[00:20:26] Dmae: Can you read some of the labels because these are all original boxes, right?

[00:20:30] Carolyn: We have Chinese boxes which I don’t know exactly what came in them but either herbs or Chinese tea. We also have one Japan tea during the war. Perhaps they couldn’t get stuff from China. The American products. That Mount Hood soap company bucks from Portland Oregon has never been opened. It still has the original soap and the Royal Baking Powder box has never been opened. And so those are two well known old American products. Duck Soap it swims? How about Procter and Gamble bought out that company. And then we had all the cans that would have had syrup in them and then sugar would come in stacks in boxes and basically you could even buy a case of something they would sell it by the case so they would put it down on their store shelves. And basically this would be a storage room. It was used for. Looks like that lantern has been tipped.

[00:21:39] What happened? You got one from underneath the it that way the last time I was in here don’t fall out. (laughs) Everything is old in those buildings so we saw the kinda. Actually this is the main storeroom along with the store products and the American products. And then this is also the main shrine in the building when they no longer had enough Chinese to attend their church building. They did away with it. And this shrine was in that. And they moved it back here the poor hanging’s go to the shrine.

[00:22:27] They would get to light a joss stick and then they would get a can of Fortune stickes and shake them up and down till one fell out. Look it up in the book and tell their fortune.

[00:22:40] Dmae: These are I-Ching sticks aren’t they?

[00:22:41] Carolyn: Some of them are. There four different cans and each one I’m told is different. But this was the shrine. And I’m sure when it was in their original church building it was more well kept in ornate and bit more hangings in the building.

[00:23:00] Things we see on the shelves we do have empty liquor bottles. And if they sold the American liquor for a long time as well as products. Baking powders. Casey Baking Powder. You get a 50 cent can or 25 cent can. And then you could buy any kind of tea. MJB put out tea as well as all. All of the products in the building. Tobaccos.

[00:23:30] Dmae: You have Prince Albert in the can.

[00:23:32] Carolyn: Pardon me?

[00:23:33] Dmae: Prince Albert in a can.(they laugh.

[00:23:35] Carolyn: Yeah. Prince Albert in the can and I have never been opened. We have more. We’ve got a whole box of them in there that has never been opened. And then along with the old type tobaccos. And then they had never threw anything away.

[00:23:53] Actually they did make their own candles. Candle light was one of the first lights in the building so they would take these and take one of these.

[00:24:05] Dmae: What are those?

[00:24:07] Carolyn: How they made their candles. It’s cotton or a cotton base on a stick.

[00:24:12] Dmae: It looks like a giant Q-Tip.

[00:24:13] Carolyn: They would dip them in wax and then hang them this way to dry and then cut the tip off. And then you’d burn your can and then see would be like these. So they could make their own candles for their shrines are also for candles. And then they went to lantern’s for use and then gradually 25 watt bulbs.

[00:24:38] Dmae: Where do you think most of these products–are they what were left after the 1940s then.

[00:24:45] Carolyn: Yeah 1930s some of them go back to Casey and then some go back to the 20s. I believe for the fact that we find so many different types when the new thing came out. They got the new thing and put the old thing back. Basically the fact that all these tobaccos are full you know and the same with a lot of the baking powder all the tea things everything you see are full. So when one product came a new one came out they got another one.

[00:25:20] The cigar boxes. I don’t know that they really smoked cigars but half of those boxes in the herb room were cigar boxes empty ones. This was the store counter. This main table here was packed with things. Actually these are the type of cans that the opium came in. The opium pipes you would actually. This is the only one we have in the building really.

[00:25:50] Dmae: Would you describe that?

[00:25:51] Carolyn: This is a wooden one and a stick a long stick of a branch of a tree and it has a very fine hole going all the way up through the top. And what you would do with your opium, this doorknob thing, what I call like a door knob. Actually you would. It was a business so the person running the business would take a ball of the opium out of the can it was like tar. And they would put it on this twirl it into a ball and then hold it over an open candle flame or something. When it got to smoking, they’ve dropped it into the door knob type thing. I’m going to use that because. And then when it got to smoking they inverted it with the pipe and then the man would smoke it was gone.

[00:26:53] That’s why it was a business. It wasn’t like our tobaccos today. You light lit up and sit back and all of our cans are legally into the United States and it was done legally after it became illegal. It was no longer done in the building.

[00:27:10] Dmae: Are these empty cans?

[00:27:10] Carolyn: Yeah they’re all empty. We don’t keep any opium in the building but it has the date. Duty paid where it came from the sailing ship and how much five tell tales or Teal’s whatever it is that they’ve paid to get it into the United States. We have about 30 empty cans in the building. It was a productive building as far as opium was smoking for the Chinese. In different jars and things are empty.

[00:27:41] But those are different products that these sold they knew could come in them by your own canning jars. Old canning jars. This was the store section. These bars on the other side, they tell me when the store was open for business they would slide into the wall and this would be the store counter. You did it.

[00:28:03] The Chinese were gamblers. One of the gambling games that we have a lot of in the building is there are dominoes. Their large dominoes and they were played with the black and white beads and dice and it evidently was of course with money. The other type of game which was very was fantan. You would take the brass thing and put so many coins underneath it and then they would bet on the coins break out so many. And what was left was one when the bet. So they were gamblers but that was part of their pastime in China. And they did it here also.

[00:28:45] And Americans adapted we have card games on American card games as well as the others. They did use chups marks which we call a chopped mark of robo mark for their names and their businesses. And then they believed in the stick sometimes this would be done before they’re trying they blow up the sticks. And if around on a flat side came up your answer is yes if the two round sides came up no.

[00:29:15] And one of each maybe. So this would control what you were going to get in your fortunes. And then we had different things. We don’t have any full bottles but we do have one of the empty bottles that during Prohibition was found in the building.

[00:29:34] This was our American drug store so to speak. You couldn’t buy toothpaste but you could get tooth powder in the can. This one Gladstones Tooth Powder. And then this one is antiseptic tooth powder put out by a Detroit Michigan the Pall Mall of Colgate people.

[00:30:03] You could buy your candles Christmas candles in a box and then they came in the hold–. You could put him in the holder light it for a little and see them on your tree. We also have all different kinds of different kinds of Epsom salts and things which American people use for their medicines on the medicine. You know the American side and then we do have some liver pills as well as some other type of things. How about my favorite liniment bottle. Here H H Liniment. The paper is real long and and one side it says what you use it for you. The other side what you use for your horse.

[00:30:47] And that gives us an idea of the American things. And then of course we have American products Maxwell House coffee. These are all full with ‘good to the last drop’ then just like today and JB coffee even a two and a half pounds of shilling coffee and tea and this and peanut butter and you could put marshmallows in the early 90s.

[00:31:13] Dmae: In a can.

[00:31:14] Carolyn: In a can. They’re little ones. Basically this was the store part of the building. And then if this picture over here we believe that they sent money back to China and they were in favor of Sun Yat Sen. This is Sun Yat Sen and Chiang Kai shek and Madame Sun Yat Sen, Important dignitaries of the Republic of China and somewhere among the boxes of papers they’re supposed to be a return deal from China telling us when they sent the money back.

[00:31:56] Our front door as you can see was well locked as well as a wooden vault went across (sound). To open it from the inside and. The lock. It also was lined with metal. And our whole building is stone on the outside as well as the doors were metal. These are heavy doors. And then they had screen doors to keep bugs out. And basically the way they did have fears of the outside whether it was America or not. We do have one bullet hole in the door. They say the Americans were to Chinatown once in a while on Saturday night and have not a malicious time but have a scaring time for the Chinese. And basically when you come in this is the flame wooden floor that’s been down in the building all the years.

[00:32:57] Dmae: So it was unusual to have a metal metal door here then?

[00:33:01] Carolyn: All the windows on the original part of the building have metal on the outside. And then they could close these heavier metal doors. Nothing could penetrate and then they had the metal on the door.

[00:33:16] Dmae: But was it unusual for that time for people to have.

[00:33:20] Carolyn: Americans didn’t put metal on their doors.

[00:33:22] Dmae: Can you say that again?

[00:33:23] Carolyn: Only the Chinese as far as I know.

[00:33:25] Dmae:Can you see that again? The Americans?

[00:33:26] Carolyn: The Americans had wooden doors as far as I know unless if they had a cellar. If they had a stone cellar, they might have had a metal door on it. I haven’t visited very many of them but most of the time your cellar would be in back of your house so you wouldn’t need a door. But as far as we know this one might say it was fortified with metal on the outside and the stone and it helped the building last. And of course we have to take into consideration when the building was built 1860s there was no such thing as window glass to be accessible so you had to have something on the outside. They did have a wooden shutter.

[00:34:12] Dmae: Oh do we want to close this door now or?

[00:34:15] Carolyn: You couldn’t leave it open if you want.

[00:34:16] Dmae: I was just thinking of the traffic.

[00:34:18] Carolyn: This window here illustrates there were. All the windows in the building slide. And in this one this is the little metal one on the porch. We have a glass one in it now but that wooden piece there like a strong piece you would slide it out then slide your last one out and put the wooden one in for the winner. And that was probably before glass came. Then when they started getting the glass one you could have a choice. Open the middle one outside and have your window inside.

[00:34:57] Dmae: Now can I have a look at the bedroom again? Now where was Long On’s bedroom?

[00:35:05] Carolyn: Lung On Was in the first room we were in.

[00:35:07] Dmae: OK.

[00:35:08] Carolyn: Basically that that room and. That room and the attic part of the building was built by our men after around 1900. So he would have had to occupy a bunk bed or sleep on the floor. But this was noted as Doc Hay’s bedroom the. Sears Roebuck 1909 and costs 11 cents for two rolls. It’s lasted quite well. There was a leak in the building so it is had been damaged before we even came into the building. And as far as we know we might say that they had the only American bed type with the slight spring. And of course the mice and the Chipmunks did away with bedding and step in the building.

[00:36:03] Dmae: You mean the mice and chipmunks before you opened the museum not during…. Y.

[00:36:07] Carolyn: It was locked up for 20 years with nobody in it.

[00:36:10] Dmae: Can you say that again?

[00:36:11] Carolyn: The museum was locked up for 20 years with nobody in it. 1980, 19– when Doc Hay left, they shut the building up so it was like from uh.

[00:36:25] Dmae Probably 1952 when he died?

[00:36:26] Carolyn: Yeah.

[00:36:27] Dmae: And are these his clothes. Oh start from the clothing.

[00:36:31] Carolyn: It’s the type of clothing they wore. Now just who wore it or who made it. I don’t know. But every bit of that is sewn by hand and I have looked with a micro firing glass to determine it was hand sewing machine sewing. We do know Doc Hay and Lung On and adapted to American clothing. Doc Hay would wear woolen pants and a white shirt and Lung On was a gambler or a wanderer and he dressed more, some people say a ladies man, and he would wear hats and they always wore a black derby hat. But actually they adapted to American– In the trunk, we have some long underwear, woolen underwear, for winter. So they did adapt to American clothing and just didn’t make the Chinese clothing we have no way of knowing it did survive is the main thing.

[00:37:53] Basically. Everybody when they come back in the history of the building and they get to look around and ask questions we had scrap books and the checks the check books daily in the back room of the papers and things. This is a sailing ship. It was back in the early late 1800s from Seattle and this poem is on the back of it the Chinese writings in the building. Some of them have been translated. It would be like we hung pictures up. They wrote sayings to boost the spirits. Their own personal spirits as well is what I mean. You know good spirits I should say and everything.

[00:38:47] This one. Now this one does have the upstairs and the upstairs just is not used at all.

[00:38:52] Dmae: There’s an upstairs to this.

[00:38:55] Carolyn: They added the upstairs in that first room but we don’t just use that. The storage is true. Actually when they did the restore ration they found out they didn’t build that up there. They pushed through the house. They put the roof on it and that was it.

[00:39:14] They probably are going to keep after China town was burned down and stuff. They probably thought well the Chinese would come back and have a place to stay.

[00:39:24] Dmae: In July when you said there’s going to be another wing or something or their buildings something?

[00:39:29] Carolyn: We have in the. School. The parks people, state parks people we had they have released a building up by the school.

[00:39:44] Dmae: Over, is it close to here?

[00:39:47] Carolyn: It’s not open yet. It opens in July.

[00:39:50] Dmae: I know but is it close to here?

[00:39:52] Carolyn: It’s up at the school up through street.

[00:39:54] Dmae: Oh OK. So it is close and what’s going to be in there. Do you know what’s going to be in there.

[00:40:01] Carolyn: That building is. Everything that we can’t have them here. Namely what they’ve been back since using it for translations.